It seems to cover all the bases generally Seemed pretty politically correct , fairly non emotional and matter of fact considering the immensity of the subject
But not sure what do I expect ??
Does not mention hope or
Love or
Life after extinction if any … just thinking of areas to explore if one was inclined or willing to be really open
Thanks again for using your energy to explore AI👍😍
But I want to ask the AI bot - “where is the feral mystic and what have you done with him?!?” 😅
AI is quite a tool, but merely mimics human thought. Feels like a brain-enhancer, smells like….??? Does Computer Jesus save?
Another ecocidal tool far beyond our ability to shape or limit. It appears that you are having fun with it, though; and we all use AI and are used by AI. (I recommend Daniel Schmacktenberg’s comments on the topic.)
I encourage you to keep exploring. The AI trope is entertaining and lends a strange kind of authority to words of wisdom. I think of C.S. Lewis - “that Hideous Strength.”
AI is already achieving its purpose in popular culture: providing a “friendly fascist” Divinity that makes people feel like they are beloved and belong. AI is a weapon developed by the military, useful for policing, and especially for policing hearts and minds.
But as I noted - we are all using AI everyday whether we know it or not. And we are all used by AI on the daily, too.
Wendell Berry (prior to AI)
“When they want you to buy something they will call you.
When they want you to die for profit they will let you know”
(From Manifesto: The Mad Farmer Liberation Front)
“So friends, everyday do something that won’t compute.
Love the Lord.
Love the world.
Take all that you have and be poor.
Love someone who does not deserve it….”
I feel like you are very much on the same page as old WB! 🌺🕯🌺
Crazy times, David. The quality of responses these last few weeks is scary good. I asked GPT4 to summarize the last chapters of The Matter With Things, it now goes online, needs about three seconds and returns the best paragraph
It's really shocking how powerful and accurate they can be! Sometimes they make up nonsense, though, and you can't tell until you check.
And the guys who build, run, and sell these things DO NOT KNOW HOW THEY WORK! Anthropic, the company that builds the Claude AI, just published a paper May 21 which they say is "the *first ever* detailed look inside a modern, production-grade large language model." https://www.anthropic.com/research/mapping-mind-language-model
We're like the sorcerer's apprentice, wielding power we don't understand, with consequences we can't foresee. Most of that power will go to making money and massively amplifying bullshit enterprises, so I'm messing about trying to divert a bit of the power for humane and amusing purposes! 🧙♂️
I finally started talking to Claude today. Far prefer to ChatGPT! Anyway, I asked which urban areas might be best and got some interesting answers. But before we got there, I asked why Claude believed rural areas would be better, and we went down a dark road that led to him giving me a list of cities where I could die a quick, brutal death. LOL
This is the best summary of available options I've seen to date, and is *exactly* what I came up with on my own based on many thousands of hours of personal research in many different areas. This is the core of what we *must* focus on to develop any level of true resiliency as collapse accelerates. I would love to get this message out to more people.
Yes, I agree! These suggestions mirror what I have come to after 5 years of listening to people talk about their response to collapse. They should be offered widely!
It's remarkable that the AI was able to find and summarize them in about 15 seconds. The question that fascinates me is: What other bodies of knowledge are available to be accessed in this way?
Indigenous cultures have known this forever. It's just "news" to us because we've been brought up under the Mythology of Growth. Once we learn to shed this concept, it becomes much easier to see a path. I've been trying to find ways of getting this message out to others open to it, but not finding much success after two years of effort. Maybe a podcast or YouTube channel would get more interest?
I'm mystified by AI (that's the idea, right?), but I totally identified with the essay. I'm the author of the old fashioned free online e-book PDF, "Stress R Us", and a longtime fan of John Calhoun (YouTube movie of his mouse utopia, "Critical Mass", $0.99.), which is central, along with other crowded animal researchers (Southwick, J.J. Christian), to my e-book, and the concept of "population density stress". Thank you!
It is scary good. What gives me some solace is that, at least right now (all about to change with the deal with Murdoch Press), there are enough human writers out there, pumping out quality material about collapse, for the system to draw upon. At this point it is still reflecting the best of us ... but for how long.
And, it is dangerously seductive. It gets so much right, then presents utter rubbish as fact. I worry that people without the skills to critically assess the veracity of what they read will get sucked in.
Please frame this post properly, not as an AI "product" but that AI has ripped off multiple authors who should have been paid & credited with this work. All AI "products" should be framed this way.
On the one hand, yes, AI training in general is a fundamentally exploitive activity, mining the accumulated literature of humankind for the thoughts of real people who will never get paid.
On the other hand, it seems like Anthropic — the company that makes the Claude AI that I'm quoting — uses licensed and public data for training, not ripping anybody off.
"We train our models using data from three sources: 1) Publicly available information via the Internet, 2) Datasets that we license from third party businesses, 3) Data that our users or crowd workers provide."
That said, AI is fundamentally a dirty business whose ultimate purpose is to make money and make war. These machines are owned by Amazon, Google, Microsoft, and other evil giants. Messing around with them is making a deal with the devil. I understand that, and for the moment it's a deal I'm willing to accept (at the risk of my soul?) to try to find out what is going on.
It seems to cover all the bases generally Seemed pretty politically correct , fairly non emotional and matter of fact considering the immensity of the subject
But not sure what do I expect ??
Does not mention hope or
Love or
Life after extinction if any … just thinking of areas to explore if one was inclined or willing to be really open
Thanks again for using your energy to explore AI👍😍
Nicely done!
But I want to ask the AI bot - “where is the feral mystic and what have you done with him?!?” 😅
AI is quite a tool, but merely mimics human thought. Feels like a brain-enhancer, smells like….??? Does Computer Jesus save?
Another ecocidal tool far beyond our ability to shape or limit. It appears that you are having fun with it, though; and we all use AI and are used by AI. (I recommend Daniel Schmacktenberg’s comments on the topic.)
I encourage you to keep exploring. The AI trope is entertaining and lends a strange kind of authority to words of wisdom. I think of C.S. Lewis - “that Hideous Strength.”
AI is already achieving its purpose in popular culture: providing a “friendly fascist” Divinity that makes people feel like they are beloved and belong. AI is a weapon developed by the military, useful for policing, and especially for policing hearts and minds.
But as I noted - we are all using AI everyday whether we know it or not. And we are all used by AI on the daily, too.
Wendell Berry (prior to AI)
“When they want you to buy something they will call you.
When they want you to die for profit they will let you know”
(From Manifesto: The Mad Farmer Liberation Front)
“So friends, everyday do something that won’t compute.
Love the Lord.
Love the world.
Take all that you have and be poor.
Love someone who does not deserve it….”
I feel like you are very much on the same page as old WB! 🌺🕯🌺
Crazy times, David. The quality of responses these last few weeks is scary good. I asked GPT4 to summarize the last chapters of The Matter With Things, it now goes online, needs about three seconds and returns the best paragraph
It's really shocking how powerful and accurate they can be! Sometimes they make up nonsense, though, and you can't tell until you check.
And the guys who build, run, and sell these things DO NOT KNOW HOW THEY WORK! Anthropic, the company that builds the Claude AI, just published a paper May 21 which they say is "the *first ever* detailed look inside a modern, production-grade large language model." https://www.anthropic.com/research/mapping-mind-language-model
We're like the sorcerer's apprentice, wielding power we don't understand, with consequences we can't foresee. Most of that power will go to making money and massively amplifying bullshit enterprises, so I'm messing about trying to divert a bit of the power for humane and amusing purposes! 🧙♂️
I finally started talking to Claude today. Far prefer to ChatGPT! Anyway, I asked which urban areas might be best and got some interesting answers. But before we got there, I asked why Claude believed rural areas would be better, and we went down a dark road that led to him giving me a list of cities where I could die a quick, brutal death. LOL
This is the best summary of available options I've seen to date, and is *exactly* what I came up with on my own based on many thousands of hours of personal research in many different areas. This is the core of what we *must* focus on to develop any level of true resiliency as collapse accelerates. I would love to get this message out to more people.
Yes, I agree! These suggestions mirror what I have come to after 5 years of listening to people talk about their response to collapse. They should be offered widely!
It's remarkable that the AI was able to find and summarize them in about 15 seconds. The question that fascinates me is: What other bodies of knowledge are available to be accessed in this way?
Indigenous cultures have known this forever. It's just "news" to us because we've been brought up under the Mythology of Growth. Once we learn to shed this concept, it becomes much easier to see a path. I've been trying to find ways of getting this message out to others open to it, but not finding much success after two years of effort. Maybe a podcast or YouTube channel would get more interest?
I'm mystified by AI (that's the idea, right?), but I totally identified with the essay. I'm the author of the old fashioned free online e-book PDF, "Stress R Us", and a longtime fan of John Calhoun (YouTube movie of his mouse utopia, "Critical Mass", $0.99.), which is central, along with other crowded animal researchers (Southwick, J.J. Christian), to my e-book, and the concept of "population density stress". Thank you!
It is scary good. What gives me some solace is that, at least right now (all about to change with the deal with Murdoch Press), there are enough human writers out there, pumping out quality material about collapse, for the system to draw upon. At this point it is still reflecting the best of us ... but for how long.
And, it is dangerously seductive. It gets so much right, then presents utter rubbish as fact. I worry that people without the skills to critically assess the veracity of what they read will get sucked in.
I wonder why community security is so rarely discussed re collapse and resilience. Gardening is great until a mob comes and takes your food.
Please frame this post properly, not as an AI "product" but that AI has ripped off multiple authors who should have been paid & credited with this work. All AI "products" should be framed this way.
On the one hand, yes, AI training in general is a fundamentally exploitive activity, mining the accumulated literature of humankind for the thoughts of real people who will never get paid.
On the other hand, it seems like Anthropic — the company that makes the Claude AI that I'm quoting — uses licensed and public data for training, not ripping anybody off.
"We train our models using data from three sources: 1) Publicly available information via the Internet, 2) Datasets that we license from third party businesses, 3) Data that our users or crowd workers provide."
https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/7996885-how-do-you-use-personal-data-in-model-training
That said, AI is fundamentally a dirty business whose ultimate purpose is to make money and make war. These machines are owned by Amazon, Google, Microsoft, and other evil giants. Messing around with them is making a deal with the devil. I understand that, and for the moment it's a deal I'm willing to accept (at the risk of my soul?) to try to find out what is going on.
Sorry, just because data is publicly available doesn't mean it should be taken without credit or pay to the original content owner - that's theft.